TaxAlmanac - Discussion:Restricted Stock, 83b & B2B Grant

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Thekochs (talk|edits) said:


20 July 2010

I have a client who runs a company
and received Restricted Stock Grant couple years ago from a company they
were providing service for. These shares vested over the years but
since this company was not an employee there was no ordinary income
taken at the vestign dates. Recently, stock granting company was bought
by another and my client was sent the gross proceeds for the vested
shares. I'm aware under a Company-To-Individual that ordinary income
would have been delt with thru stock sale or 1099 during the vesting but
this was not done. Now, the accouting folks at the new company are
trying to determine next-steps. I have done some research and it seems
straight forward if the grant was given to my client as an
individual....1099-MISC. However, since the grants were given company
to company will he receive a 1099 or is it just up to him to determine
the ordinary vs cap gains calc/taxes ?













R2 (talk|edits) said:


20 July 2010

Not sure why you feel that Sec. 83 applies only to individuals.














Thekochs (talk|edits) said:


21 July 2010

My client did not fill out a Sec 83b
election at grant. Also the company who granted the restricted stock
did not sell or 1099 him in any of the vested years for ordinary income
on the vested FMV. Basically, these shares were left vesting and when
the company was bought he was sent a gross proceeds check for the FMV x
vested shares. His request is to be taxed at ordinary income rate of $0
to FMV at vesting dates, then cap gain for the vesting costs to sales
price. I'm in discussion with CFO of company who bought this other
company and he wants to take the simple way of 1099 MISC to him this
year for the total gross proceeds. I asked why the previous company did
not 1099 during vesting years and he has no answer. I also pointed out
this was not a grant to an individual but B2B. I'm trying to research
that thought to see if that truly helps.

Any thoughts in how I can pursue is appreciated.
















Thekochs (talk|edits) said:


21 July 2010

My thought on the B2B and no 1099 MISC is: http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1099msc/ar02.html

Exceptions. Some payments are not required to be reported on
Form 1099-MISC, although they may be taxable to the recipient. Payments
for which a Form 1099-MISC is not required include:

Generally, payments to a corporation; but see Reportable payments to corporations on page 2;
















Thekochs (talk|edits) said:


21 July 2010

Update, talking the CFO he now says
he agrees that a 1099 is not required but he will still post the entire
gross amount as a deduction on their corporate taxes. His
comments.......

If I am audited then I will provide all of the detail as to who
got what comp. Your clients company will be on the list, the only US
non employee. This may then trigger an audit on their side, and if your
client classified anything related to this transaction as a capital
gain (especially long term), he will pay the tax in addition to interest
and potentially a 20% penalty. Corporations defer the receipt of shares
in order to defer a tax liability. I in no way would suggest that this
was the intent of BITS, but this is very common and the IRS will see
this as black and white.


I think he may have agenda from their tax side and he is also
inferring the intent of my client to defer taxes. Hard to pick out
truth from opinion so want to stay with the facts. Is my client OK to
calculate the ordinary and cap gains per the Restricted Stock tax
codes/calcs ?
















LH2004 (talk|edits) said:


July 21, 2010

You do get that corporations have to pay their income taxes, even though they generally don't get 1099's, right?

A filled-out profile might have made that question less necessary.





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